Apocalyptic Writing in Fantasy

(Originally posted on LiveJournal)

As I’ve been re-reading what is written of The Ring of Adonel, and working on the rewrites/polishes, I’ve also been thinking about some of the choices I made in the story. Particularly the scope of it.

It seems there is a powerful impulse in fantasy writers to make the major conflict in their stories the most important clash of good versus evil that their world has ever seen. The Ultimate Confrontation with Evil. A total Save The World story, with the whole of the world as the stakes.

Now, it’s not that this is necessarily a bad thing. There have been some good stories from such confrontations.

But….

What happens when the author finds that he or she wants to go back to that fantasy world? The heroes in the first story have already take out the Major Evil. So, isn’t any evil figure that follows going to be a lesser one?

Beren & Luthien take a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown

Beren & Luthien take a Silmaril from Morgoth’s Iron Crown

Tolkien got around this by having his Uber Bad Guys, Morgoth and Sauron, be (in effect) fallen angels, immortal and not such as could be completely destroyed by those born in Middle-earth. But not everyone goes to such lengths, and they have their heroes manage to destroy the Looming Evil.

And there’s a really big problem when the apocalyptic fantasy involves prophecies as well. If all the prophecies are fulfilled in the original story, what the heck is going on when the author returns to visit the world? What does happen next? And why didn’t anyone know that there might be something beyond the apocalyptic confrontation? Wheren’t there any prophecies that apply to this new conflict, and why didn’t anyone mention them the first time around?

So, some of these questions were part of what led me to shape my story as I did. Sure, my hero is indeed in a bit of a conflict with my Uber Bad Guy. But this conflict does not involve the idea that my hero would ever be able to destroy or even severely diminish the Uber Bad Guy. And, actually, the main myth that underpins the whole of The Ring of Adonel will, in the end, explain why the Attondar (the major resident angelic Powers) do not engage in direct conflict with Caimcadar (the Uber Bad Guy).

But I still think about the problems that apocalyptic plotting can create for a writer. And basically, I didn’t want to irritate my reading audience by having heroes win a complete victory over an Uber Bad Guy… and then come back with a sequel where I was asking them to believe that “Ooops, the victory wasn’t quite as complete as they thought.”

Comments

jpantalleresco – May. 6th, 2008

Usually when you look at apocalyptic writing, it’s about the end. If you ever want to do a sequel, you try and build a new beginning. JMS did something along these lines with Babylon 5. He started with the great apocalyptic threat of the Shadows and built that as a major part of his arc for the first four seasons. After they left, he proceeded to create a new beginning: The Interstellar Alliance.

With Fantasy the concept really isn’t that dissimilar. Apocalypses destroy the world as you know it. If you’re a fantasy writer wanting to return to that world, you take the next step.

What happens after the end? The Beginning. David Eddings did something like that with the Mallorean. I’m not suggesting that’s the only way to go mind you, but really, after the apocalypse, what else would survivors do?

Just my two sense.

JP

scribblerworks – May. 8th, 2008

Well, actually, Eddings was on my mind when I was commenting on the matter of prophecies. Did none of those making prophecies see beyond the big apocalypse of the first series? That didn’t seem realistic to me.

But I have other problems with Eddings’ work — such as the fact that the victory in the Belgariad didn’t cost the heroes anything. At all. That is so wrong to my way of thinking.

As for Babylon 5… well, JMS didn’t see the conflict completely as an “end of the world” type conflict, and the opponents, though very very powerful, were not actually perceived as gods. Plus, all the “prophecies” were composed within the circle of a time-travel loop (ie, Sinclair went back in time and could leave hints – prophecies – because he knew as fact what would be faced). And other visions could be interpreted multiple ways, instead of being about completely explicit events.

Anyway… something to muse about: the impulse to write for the Big Earthshaking Event – without considering that the Earth has to continue on after that.

(These are somewhat rambling thoughts, admittedly.)

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Books are wonderful

So, Saturday, I once again ventured into the LA Times Festival of Books. On one of the warmest days we’ve had in Southern California in a while.

With my usual luck, I managed to park in the furthest west parking lot, which meant a walk to the beginning of the festival, and that at the bottom of the hill! Yikes. At least I took the stairs up the hill that had a hand-rail.

As a writer, it’s encouraging to see so many people to publically turn out for a celebration of books.  There are still people out there who are actually reading, and who still love the physical objects that you can take anywhere.

I made my way to the area devoted to children’s lit, since that’s where my friend James A. Owen was doing his signing. And sure enough, there he was, diligently autographing and then drawing in the books the fans presented to him.

James A. Owen signing

James A. Owen signing
2008 LA Festival of Books

 

The fans were very patient, since James took time for each, and also chatted with them.

In the background, on the public stage, Ben Barnes was reading a chapter from C.S. Lewis’ Prince Caspian, where the Prince learns a bit of the hidden history of Narnia from his teacher.  It’s perhaps fortunate that the movie hasn’t come out yet. The audience was enthusiastic, but not a mob scene. But I suspect that Prince Caspian is a star-maker role for Barnes.  In any case, he was doing a very good job in reading the chapter, carrying the audience along in the story.

Meanwhile, back in the Simon & Schuster booth, James’ alloted hour of signing ended, and there were still patient fans waiting to have their books signed. I could see that some of them were anxious about whether they would get their books autographed, but there was no doubt. James took up a position to the side of the booth, and continued to sign and draw in books as long as there was someone with a book to be signed. Which went on for quite some time.

 

James A. Owen signing

James A. Owen still signing

That picture’s a bit blurry, because I had to go sit down, and it was shot from a distance. James stood there nearly four hours. It was rather funny to watch, because this was also by one of the major walkways into the children’s lit area. So people would walk by, perhaps headed toward the stage, and notice this line of people waiting for this tall person to do something with their books. Then it would register that it was the author, and he was drawing in the books. And they might recognize the cover art. In short order, they’d go into the S&S booth, get copies for themselves and get in the line as well!

It was a lesson on building your audience as a writer. It’s a big event to the fans, so it behooves the author to give them all the time possible.

Especially interesting and charming was watching him speak with the children, especially the children who want to be writers. He gives them full attention and respect, and I can’t help but think that’s going to be a very important encouragement to these young aspiring writers.

Eventually, I needed to get some food. I’d had a nice chat with James, so off I went and had some Panda Express.

From there, I went on to the Writers Store booth. By now, it was late in the afternoon. So I missed my friend Blake Snyder, who had been at the booth earlier in the day. But I had a nice chat with one of the staff (yes, about my own book). And I picked up a copy of The Hollywood Creative Directory. I should have also gotten a current copy of The Writers Market, but I would have had to carry it back to the car with the Directory, and that would have been a bit much.

Yes, once again, I was not prepared for the BookFest. I’d gotten myself dehydrated again. Even though I had drunk a full 20 oz. bottle of water, plus having had a frozen lemonade, and a soda with my Panda Express, I was once again skirting the problem zone.  I could feel myself start to get faint, and would have to find a place to sit down for a bit. But I paced myself so that I got all the way back to the car without actually collapsing. In the car was the remainder of another soda, and a bag of chips. SALT!!!  I sat for a bit, recooping, before heading out of the parking structure and through the traffic to home.

Like I said, it’s good to know that there are still eager consumers of books out there in the world.  On a couple of message boards, I have as my signature this phrase: “There will always be a place for storytellers.” I really do believe this. But it’s still nice to see big public demonstrations of that fact.

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Books, books, books!

This coming weekend on the UCLA campus is the annual LA Times Festival of Books. In past years, I’d take note that it was happening, but I wouldn’t haul myself over there to check it out (it’s FREE — well, aside for the cost of parking!).

But last year, the fact that a couple of friends were going to be there signing motivated me to finally check it out.

It’s very cool! Attitude-wise, that is. Last year, the day I was there it was rather warm. I went on the Saturday (I had a conflict for Sunday).

The first friend I’d expected to see there was Blake Snyder, author of Save the Cat! I’d expected to find him at the booth for the Writers Store. If you’re a writer, the Writers Store is the coolest emporium you can imagine: the computer programs you need, and just about any book on writing (film stuff mostly, but plenty on everything else). They are very neat people, and I’ve patronized the store frequently over the years. As it turned out, Blake was going to be appearing on Sunday rather than Saturday. That was a disappointment. I consolded myself by buying a couple of books that were new to me.

James A. Owen

James A. Owen

I then trudged back up the hill, to the booth that James Owen was going to be at (I’d missed his earlier signings at other booths). I’d “gotten to know” James online in the months prior to this, and he was “my sort of people” (especially a similar sense of humor). But this was my first encounter with him in person. My first thought on meeting him was “Tall. He’s really tall.” (I’m 5’8″ in my bare feet, and in Hollywood, most people I meet, men included, rarely top 5’10” or 5’11”. James is well past the 6′ mark. 6’4″, if I remember correctly.) Anyway, he got down to the business of signing copies of Here, There Be Dragons and his book on pirates of the Caribbean, and he was very entertaining to watch. In between the autograph seekers, we had an amusing conversation.

All in all, an enjoyable excursion.

This year, I’m going for various reasons. Making some connections with the Writers Store folks (hey! I have a book coming out soon). Also, checking out the various things that publishers are putting out right now. I’m looking at buckling down on several writing projects, and it would be a good idea to see what is happening in the various markets.

And then there’s that Owen fellow again, who is out promoting his second engaging novel, The Search for the Red Dragon. Maybe I should hire myself out as a professional shill.

Anyway, I’m going to be wandering around books and books and books this weekend. Happily, my state tax refund came today! I’ll have some spending money! Color me happy! If you’re going to be in the LA area this weekend, you should check it out too!

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Website Update April 19, 2008

Continuing in my efforts to get the website more active again, I’ve added the first of some new (well, new to the website) materials.

First off, there’s a PDF file of my Robin Hood/Green Arrow paper. It was written in 1997, at which time Oliver Queen was still dead.  So, yeah, it’s a bit out-of-date regarding current DC Comics continuity.  But it still has some good things to say about the connections.  Besides that, it contains my first public discussion of the Outlaw Hero, something that I go into more depth about in the upcoming The Scribbler’s Guide to the Land of Myth.  So, you should check it out for that!

I’ve added a review (and an Amazon link – SO USE IT! 😉 )  for my friend Diana Pavlac Glyer’s book on the Inklings, The Company They Keep. It’s a great book, and you really, really ought to check it out. If you’re at all interested in creative groups and how they interact (and yes, influence each other), you need to read it.

Don’t forget to keep tabs on my LiveJournal and Blogger sites.

More updates and additions coming soon!

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Bothersome Synchronicity

(Originally posted on LiveJournal)

I’ve been planning for a long time to do my own version of the Lady Godiva legend. About five years or so, at least. I’d originally planned to make it a screenplay. But since it’s a period piece, I eventually decided it would be better to write it as a novel first. I’ve done lots of the research, I know when I’m going to set it, what the context is.

GodivaSo, today, I sat down to rearrange my notes and do the preliminary work to prepare to start writing it. Because I needed to recheck some details, I was doing some online searching. In the course of that, I ran across something that gave me a little pause.

Recently, a novel by Nerys Jones was published: Godiva. Yeah. Right. What fun. Beaten to the draw?

I checked out a review of the book, and was greatly relieved by what I found. Jones’ book is totally different from what mine will be. First off, Jones chose a different time period for her version of the story. In a totally different political situation. That made me smile a lot, because I really, really like the choices I made for my story. And it looks like we’ve made different choices regarding Godiva’s character and relationships. All well and good. I can continue on with my project without worrying about the appearance of copying, plagerism or any other such infraction.

But it did get me thinking about the matter of synchronicity. Because I’ve seen it happen in various ways. In Hollywood, there was the infamous overlap of volcano projects (Volcano and Dante’s Peak). It’s one of those things that does incline me to believe there might be something to the term “collective unconscious”. Some ideas just seem to vibrate in the ether for a period and multiple people pick up on it.

Now, I think that when it comes to stories, it doesn’t really matter too much, because each writer is unique and each will put his or her own stamp on the story being told. I wasn’t quite so confident when I was in junior high, though. At that time, my ambition was to become a fashion designer, and I used to doodle designs during any spare moment. What would freak me out was that a few months after I’d doodled something, I’d start seeing it show up in fashions. I couldn’t figure out whether it was seeing into the future, picking up on “something in the air”, or me just being unique ahead of the wave. But it got to the point where it bugged me so much that I started feeling maybe I shouldn’t go into that career. (That decision got sealed when I did a civics class project on the career — too much art school, and too much doing illustrations of other people’s designs would have been involved.)

So, after today’s experience, I wondered if other writers have run into this type of sychronicity which seems to echo something you’ve been working on yourself. Has it? What’s your reaction to it?

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dannydonovan – Apr. 19th, 2008

Well there really only *so* many stories in the world, the differnce is in the telling. However, the bandwagon thing happens purely out of greed. The Volcano thing, as well as the Asteroid thing (the Ben Affleck movie vs. the Tea Leoni movie) most people sell their concepts and they sit in that bin of stuff “we have just to have” and then someone greenlights one type of film, it looks like (and gets buzz by certain moneymen pundits) it’ll do well, so other studios go through their pile to see what they have the rights to that follows the same meme so they can cash in on the new trend.

Same with books and comics. When Steve Niles made horror cool again with 30 Days Later, everyone started digging up all their old horror properties, and greenlighting years old pitches to catch up on the bandwagon.

Good way of getting in on the ground floor, and making some money cashing in when the market so desperately wants something in that flavor. And it’s easier to sell a new concept having other things that follow the same idea that’ve made money.

Everyone wants to cash in on trends while they’re hot.

good luck!

scribblerworks – Apr. 20th, 2008

There is that, of course, the “jump on the bandwagon” thing. Which makes me wonder why we haven’t had lots and lots of pirate pictures sailing into our theaters. Heh.

dannydonovan – Apr. 20th, 2008

Because they realize it was never about the “pirates” it was about the ‘world’ created. It was a lightning in the bottle thing. Depp is the only person to make it work.

For every POTC there’s a “Cutthroat Island” There were a lot of attempts to cash in on a cross-product thing, WWE had a wrestler modeled after Depp, who really did resonate with the fans just due to how good the Sparrow impression was, but when it was more of a generic pirate thing, didn’t work so well.

Sid Myers Pirates game which was awesome, didn’t really blow people away as well as they thought. They thought it’d be a new “Civilization” but while the mechanics were there, the execution was lacking.

(while they’re different genres they tap into the same public conciousness and compete for the same discressionary income funds, so it’s important to see where the cultural pop culture trends are going and see how best to try to capitalize them in your own industry)

So studios saw a trend that was almost unique to a certain IP and wasn’t translatable to other properties. So they moved onto the next meme, which was going back to the well and updating things from the 70s and 80s.

sartorias – Apr. 19th, 2008

Oh yeah. And I’ve been screwed by it many times. “Hey, how about crossing the Regency with magic?” “No, you can’t mix genres.” “But I have a great idea…” “No, don’t waste your time.”

The Zeitgeist seems to lend itself to developing similar patterns in a lot of us.

scribblerworks – Apr. 20th, 2008

But mixing genres seems to be so much the thing now, doesn’t it.

How about “Regency and vampires”? “Regency and pirates?” Or even way out on the limb, “Regency and aliens”?

Heh. Sorry. I suppose the real trick is to make Zeitgeist trends work for oneself.

sartorias – Apr. 20th, 2008

Now it’s pretty much de rigueur, but when I first proposed it twenty years ago, it wasn’t…but. Then Wrede and Stevermer published Sorcery and Cecelia.

So yes, one has to be in the right place at the right time with the right person and the right project to make it work!

wild_patience – Apr. 20th, 2008

I’m not a writer, but as a reader, I’ve certainly noticed this. I can love it or hate it, depending on what it is. I was in agony one year on the MFA committee because there were several books, well-written and important, mind you, but very difficult for me to read because of the child abuse in them. I was so glad when the child abuse thing blew over. (The books I’m thinking of were Robin McKinley’s Deerskin and Susan Palwick’s first novel, Flying in Place. There was also a short story anthology, The Armless Maiden and maybe a few others. It was just too much intensity in too short a period.)

scribblerworks – Apr. 20th, 2008

Yikes, yes! That is one “trend” that would have been better to have been less concentrated.

muuranker – Apr. 20th, 2008

A different synchroncity.

This morning I woke up in … Coventry!!!

So not ‘another author has written my story’ synchronicity, but a a synchronicity all the same.

The Tolkien Society AGM was there on Saturday. Consider yourself among the ‘absent friends’ toasted.

I don’t know what time period you are considering, so I don’t know how useful it would be for you to look at the photographs of Coventry before the bombing (it was rather like Stratford upon Avon or Warwick.

I’d like to read a Godiva story set in the 1950s.

It was strange, seeing Coventry for the first time only months after seeing Nagasaki for the first time.

Maybe the synchronisity comes out of the themes of the story?

scribblerworks – Apr. 20th, 2008

Re: A different synchroncity

Well, “different period” is sort of flexible, since I am still setting it in Anglo-Saxon England. But Jones sets the tale during the reign of Edward the Confessor (in the late 1040s, I believe), whereas I’m setting it in 1041, during the reign of Hardecanute.

The legend doesn’t really specify period, although during the reign of Edward Longshanks it was estimated to be about 200 years old then. But when I began my research, I looked at what was known of the economy during that general period.

As it happens, 1041 is a good year to choose. For two years prior to that there had been terrible weather in England, causing a general shortage of supplies and bad crops and harvests.

And also, because the motivation was dealing with taxes, I looked for a period where there might be some unusual tax conditions. When Hardecanute arrived in June 1040, he was a bit ticked off at the English. He was 23, and was supposed to be his father’s (Canute the Great) heir. But the English lords had chosen his bastard elder brother Harald as king 5 years before (Harald was only 2 years older, by the way). Hardecanute arrived with 62 boats of retainers (soldiers all). At 50 (or 40) men per boat (usual number of rowers for a war boat), this was a HUGE amount. And Hardecanute demanded 8 marks per man from the English to pay for his retainers.

A mark was approximately 1 English pound, which was 240 silver pennies. A silver penny was one day’s wage. So basically, he was asking for 1 year’s wage from 8 men per one of his soldiers. On the heels of the two worst years England had seen economically in a long time.

And the tax had to be paid in coin only. They would not accept “kind” (ie, goods). When there was probably not that much coin in the realm at all.

On top of that, the people of Worcester revolted at the tax. Hardecanute sent 2 of his close friends to collect the tax, and the citizens of the city killed them, skinned them, and tacked the skins to the cathedral door. Hardecanute’s troops marched into Worcester, killed many and burned the town (this was early in 1041).

Now, Worcester fell within the boundaries of Mercia at the time. Earl Leofric (which I’ll be spelling “Leofrich” for the sake of pronounciation) was Earl of Mercia. His actual seat was in Chester, so I had to figure out why Coventry was so important. I decided that since Coventry lies about 2 days march from the probable boundary of Welsh territory, he would use it as a staging area to fend off expected raiding/invasion by the Welsh (who had also suffered from the last two years of bad weather and harvests). Plus it put him near the trouble area of Worcester, because as their lord, he’d be responsible for paying the weregild on the two men killed – which Hardecanute was demanding on top the tribute for his soldiers.

All these factors led me to conclude that 1041 was the ideal year for Godiva’s plea about easing taxes.

On top of all that, and where the idea to tell the story at all begain… the tail end of the entry in the Encyclopedia Britannica about Godiva mentions that in 1047 (I think, don’t have the notes at hand), Godiva and Leofric founded the monestary in Coventry that became the linchpin of that local economy. I wondered… “How does a married pair get from the situation described in the legend, where she is basically publically shamed, to the working partnership that founding seemed to indicate?”

And that is how I got into the story.

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Next step toward being published

My artist, Tim Tobolski, has delivered the art for the cover of The Scribbler’s Guide to the Land of Myth. It’s everything I wanted it to be.  Check it out —

Scribbler's Guide Traveling Muse

The Scribbler’s Guide Traveling Muse

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Website Update April 8, 2008

Well, the first of some major updates has been completed on the ScribblerWorks site.

I’ve changed message boards for one thing. www.scribblerworks.us/phorum Yeah, it does require registration to post, but these days, it’s become necessary to combat spammers. The new forum set up also has one for the pending The Scribbler’s Guide to the Land of Myth.

In the next few days, I’m planning up uploading some new reviews and a new article. Well, not so much new, as new on the website. The paper I wrote several years ago on Robin Hood and Green Arrow will be going up in a PDF form, with a new introduction.

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James A. Owen at Storyopolis

I left Wizard World LA early on March 15, because author and artist (and friend) James A. Owen had a gallery show at Storyopolis (in Studio City), with artwork from his novels Here, There Be Dragons and The Search for the Red Dragon.

The gallery showing was also in conjunction with artwork for Frank Beddor’s novel. I was intrigued enough by that art, and Frank’s presentation, that I’ve put his work on my list of “things to read”.

Among the pieces for the show were two large drawing James had done in conjunction of other work. I’d seen them when I’d visited his studio back in November. But “at home” the pictures hang in a corridor, so it isn’t easy to get a straight on look at them. Did I mention that they’re really, really large? Anyway, it was nice to be able to really examine them. James has a knack for incredible detail, and these two works are chock full of fun little things.

James arrived, always an impressive presence. When he did his presentation (one he does often, I gather), he likes to do a drawing of a dragon head. He’s developed a design, and instructions for how others can do this particular dragon head. The original intention was for the drawing he did during the presentation to go to a lucky person in a drawing of lots. But amongst those present was a young fan of his (aged 9, I believe) with whom he’d had an email correspondence. Young Norah was quite obviously thrilled to meet her hero. And James decided that she should get the drawing he did during the presentation (he’d do another for the lot drawing). He autographed it for her. I was about to leave (this was, after all, at the end of the day I’d spent trudging around the Wizard World convention), so I got a picture of James, his wife Cindy (with whom I’d had a fun conversation – lovely lady) and Norah. A very lovely evening.

James A. Owen with fan

James and Cindy Owen with young fan Norah

 

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Finally, a report of Wizard World LA

So, here I am, only a few weeks behind the wave, getting around to a brief report of my excursion to Wizard World LA in mid-March.

Friday, March 14, I took the day off-work, in order to go down to the LA Convention Center for the opening day of Wizard World. The show opened at noon. I hadn’t preregistered, so I had to find the right light to do their pro registration. WW (the LA show, at least) isn’t quite as scrutinizing about credentials as the San Diego ComicCon. Especially on the days of the con itself. Wave a comic book with your name in the credits at them, and they’re content. I paid up the $10 for the late registration, they whipped up my nametag, and off I went. It wasn’t until later that I really looked at the nametag, and found that they’d given me an “Exhibitor” badge – even though I wasn’t. Weird. Apparently their workers at the registration booth didn’t or couldn’t distinguish between Pros and Exhibitors. I didn’t care particularly, as long as it gave me access to the show.

First stop was the Golden Apple booth. My friendly local comic shop has had a nice large booth at the WW shows the last three years. Ryan Liebowitz does a great job setting it up, and planning signings and appearances at it (last year, they almost had a mini-con inside the con, with programming that rivaled WW’s). Ryan and his mom Sharon are fun people to know, so I like checking in with them at the start of the con. As it was, Sharon was chatting with Bob Wayne of DC Comics, the VP of Sales. They’ve known Bob for a long time. And the connection (me, one of their “valued customers”, him being a friend of theirs) has made an opening for me to do mild schmoozing with Bob.

So, we chatted a bit. I mentioned that I was working toward getting into print a book on mythic motifs that had been inspired by a conversation I’d had with Denny O’Neil back in 1999. (That is, The Scribbler’s Guide to the Land of Myth — coming soon!) He said, back in the day during his brief stage of trying to be a writer, he’d sat himself down at Denny’s feet to learn anything he could from the Sensei. I smiled at that, acknowledging that Denny’s an inspiration to me too. Then I added that when it came to comic book writing, I’d also set myself to learning at Chuck Dixon’s feet (he’s a friend, and I moderate his message board, after all). Bob smiled, but then warned me that might be dangerous — he firmly believes that Chuck writes with his feet too. (For those who don’t get it, Chuck has a reputation for incredible productivity, writing faster and more than most people – and all of it good stuff.) That was a fun way to start the weekend.

Marv Wolfman

Marv Wolfman

Later, Marv Wolfman did a session on writing characters for comics. It was fairly well attended.

And then I remembered I actually had my camera with me.

Afterward, I stopped to chat with Marv for a bit in Artists Alley, before moving onward to talk with Tone Rodriguez at his table. Tone’s a terrific artist, and it was cool watching him doing sketches for fans — starting in INK! No pre-penciling on some of them.

Later in the day was the DC Nation panel. Where Bob and Dan DiDio would hold forth about upcoming DC projects. Well, actually they would tease a lot of things, but not give out too much solid information.

Dan DiDio

Dan DiDio

Just prior to the panel starting, as people were taking seats, I found Dan hobnobbing with some folks near where I was  sitting. So I listened & chipped in. Dan had been mentioning how people are always complaining about something. I humorously made a comment about how people call Jeopardy! when they think something was wrong on the show, and sometimes they’re thinking the show is live in the studio “right now”. This led Dan to relate a story (which he then repeated for everyone when the panel began) about being in the office late recently, in a meeting. Someone was on the switchboard who apparently wasn’t entirely clued in. Dan was also expecting a call to come through. So when the phone rang in the meeting, Dan picked it up, saying “This is Dan.” On the other end of the line, the caller went “Hooooly Sh——t!” It was actually a fan calling to complain about something, and shouldn’t have been put through. But Dan took it in good humor, putting the guy on the speaker phone – because the situation (the working meeting, what the guy was saying) was just too much.

Bob Wayne

Bob Wayne

After the panel, Dan and Bob both did a little chatting with the fans who approached them up front.

I spent a lot of free time inking a sketch I was doing for a friend. I’d been inspired watching Tone the day before.

 

 

 

Peter David

Peter David

But I also checked out Peter David, in his session on writing characters. This was the first time I’d heard David in person. He’s quite engaging.

 

Out of curiousity, since I don’t really read much from Marvel, I went to the Marvel Comics panel. Jeph Loeb served as the front man for the company.

 

 

Jeph Loeb

Jeph Loeb

He didn’t seem to enthusiastic about it. So it was almost a relief for him when his partner on the panel (sorry, forgot who that was) got a cell phone call from Joe Quesada. They put Joe on speaker phone, and held it up to the mic. It was mildly interesting to me – but certainly had a different dynamic when compared with the previous day’s DC Nation panel.

 

The big news at that panel was that Tim Sale (whose exclusive with DC has ended) will be doing some projects with Loeb for Marvel. That might actually get me to buy some Marvel books, as I like the teamwork of Loeb & Sale.

Other sights from the Con….

Wizard World LA 2008 Chalk Drawing

Wizard World LA 2008 Chalk Drawing

There’s a guy that does huge sized chalk drawings on the floor. Well, on paper gridded out on the floor. This year’s featured the main characters of the expected movie blockbusters for this summer.

 

 

 

 

Customized Punisher Car 1

Customized Punisher Car

On the Exhibit hall floor there were also some customized cars done on Marvel comics themes. The guys who do them show them around at special events. They were pretty cool. I took pictures of the Punisher vehicle, because I thought it would really amuse Chuck Dixon – given that he’s written the character a lot, and is fond of “good” ole Frank.

 

 

 

Customized Punisher Car 2

Customized Punisher Car

It wasn’t a bad day. I sat in on most of the DC Countdown panel, which covered some of the same territory as the DC Nation one. But the audience was larger, and they had more questions. I was tempted to throw out a Stephanie Brown/Spoiler question at Dan, but didn’t. Chuck’s back writing Robin, so I’ll just wait and see what he’s going to do.

I left before the end of the panel, because I had to get to something else in Studio City. But that’s a different story and calls for a different post.

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Late Night Ideas

(Originally posted on LiveJournal)

Now, I’d catnapped through part of the evening yesterday (I haven’t really been getting enough sleep on weeknights). And then at the very end of the evening, I was reading a story about storytelling, which was inspiring me (okay, so it was Book 4 of James A. Owen’s graphic Starchild, if you must know) . But I looked at the clock and it was after midnight, and my screenwriters group was meeting in the morning.

So I climbed into bed and tried to go to sleep. Ha.

Good storytelling does this thing to me. It’s like charging up my storytelling batteries. The brain starts whirring, spinning ideas, tweaking things, trying out things. You’d think it was caffeine or something.

So there I am lying in bed, trying to get to sleep with one part of my brain, while another part of the brain is very clearly clicking away. Worse (in one sense), there are some pretty good ideas. So, the “I want to go to sleep” part of my brain says, “Write it down in the morning. I want to get some rest.” Which lasts all of five minutes, if that much. Because the other part of the brain knows full well that if I didn’t write it down promptly, I probably would not remember it in the morning. And regarding at least one of the ideas, I’d probably regret that.

Idea notebookSo, I flip back the covers get up, turn on lights, dig out my “Idea Notebook” (wherein I record story ideas and scenes that come to me in advance of the “regular” progress of the text), and write down the ideas.

Then I go back to bed, and quickly fall asleep.

It took about 15 minutes or so to get the ideas written down, though. So it was after one by the time I fell asleep.

This afternoon, it got me curious about what happens with other writers. What jazzes others with ideas? And what do you do to deal with your late-night invasion of ideas.

Comments

lisa_marli – Mar. 29th, 2008

I’m like you. Any idea (not just stories since I rarely write) that pops into my brain at Go to Sleep time, had better be written down, or it *will* keep me awake. If I wake up with an idea in the middle of the night, better write those down too. I have a pen with a built in light so I don’t wake the hubby with my scribbling. But if he does stir, he knows what I’m up to and comments then roles over. He’s used to it by now.

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